If Power Apex Off is not working and causing problems

[Ted_C]

Can someone enlighten me why the following is happening?

I have a virtual outlet PwrOutDelay with the below code

Set OFF
If Power Apex Off 000 Then ON
Defer 002:00 Then ON

This virtual outlet is showing constantly on: which is telling me that the statement "Power Apex OFF" is evaluating to true (when it certainly does have power).

I had the following code in both of my return pump outlets:
Return_4_1:

Fallback ON
Set ON
If FeedA 000 Then OFF
If FeedB 000 Then OFF
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF
If Outlet PwrOutDelay = ON Then OFF

Return_6_1:

Fallback ON
Set ON
If FeedA 000 Then OFF
If FeedB 000 Then OFF
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF
Defer 000:20 Then ON
If Outlet PwrOutDelay = ON Then OFF

not surprisingly, both return pumps failed to turn on after this change - as the virtual outlet is showing constantly on.

I had also tried the following code:
Return_4_1

Fallback ON
Set ON
If FeedA 000 Then OFF
If FeedB 000 Then OFF
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF
If Power Apex Off 002 Then ON

This left the pumps on, but interfered with the feed cycles. Feed was ignored and the pumps continued to run.

This code: which was suggested by someone else - also resulted in the pumps remaining off and never turning on (again - because Power Apex Off is evaluating to True)
Return_4_1

Fallback ON
Set ON
If FeedA 000 Then OFF
If FeedB 000 Then OFF
If FeedC 000 Then OFF
If FeedD 000 Then OFF
If Power Apex Off 002 Then OFF

Power monitor is enabled:


My overall goal here is to set-up the return pumps to defer 2 minutes after a reboot or a power outage to allow them to completely back-siphon before attempting to turn back on. If that virtual outlet always reads "On" then - I can't make this work.

[zombie]

I'm 99.9% sure that your problem is that you have power monitor enabled but don't have the 12V power supply for the head unit. That feature should only be enabled if you have an energy bar fed from a UPS and a power supply plugged into a wall outlet.

You might be an engineer if...You have no life and can prove it mathematically.

[Ted_C]

indeed that appeared to be the issue.

[Ted_C]

Any ideas why my defer statement in the poweroutdelay is not being respected by the return programming? I've had several quick power outages since I've been running this scenario and the pumps are coming on immediately after a power outage. Is the defer statement ignored if you have fallback set to on in the return programming or is it an order of operation thing where I need to move the poweroutdelay higher in the execution queue?

[RussM]

The problem is that the If Power statement is incorrect. It should be 002, not 000 so that the statement is true for 2 minutes after power is restored. And the Defer is actually counterproductive.

You do not need the VO at all. It is just unnecessary complexity in this case.

Just use If Power Apex OFF 002 Then OFF in the pumps' programs.