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    Attempting Alert for <1 Watt at Heater Outlet After 10 min

    I am new to Apex and have been reading tons of stuff on programming, but I am unable to find a solution. (Even looking at the negative of what I am trying to do.

    I am trying to determine the correct Syntax for an email Alert if there is 0 Watt at the Heater outlet when it is on, but only after a delay. When I have the Alert set to 1 W on the Heater_2_4W Config, I get an alert everytime the Temp drops below the threshold, that then the Alert Cancels 1 min later when the Heater turns on. I need a delay to allow time for the heater to turn on.

    I tried If Heater_2_4W <1 Min Time 010 Then ON

    The email Alert page will not recognize the Watt meter at Heater_2_4W.

    I am also not sure if it will accept Min Time on an Alert

    Please advise.

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    This is the correct syntax

    If Outlet Heater_2_4 Watts < 1 Then ON
    Defer 001:00 Then ON

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    Thank you Zombie. Question - Will this cause a Defer 001:00 on all Alerts in EMAILALM? Not that its a bad idea for PH, OPR, SALT, and TMP as well.

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    Just FYI,,, I have to adjust to
    If Outlet Heater_2_4 Watts < 1 Then ON
    Defer 001:00 Then ON

    Fusion wont accept the Watts Meter as an Outlet/Output. I will let you know if this solves the issue. Thank you again. You are all of the place. I am sure everyone appreciates all of your assistance and knowledge.

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    Yes, the defer applies to the entire email outlet but does not apply to the wizard style alarms. If you want something instant put it there instead, though I personally like defers on everything so a noise spike doesn't sent me a txt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    If you want something instant put it there instead, though I personally like defers on everything so a noise spike doesn't sent me a txt.
    Is there any disadvantage to deactivating all the wizard style alarms and just programming them instead? I like having them all in one place for review and adjustment. Also my action levels are different for email/text and the display siren. And as you mention, a small defer makes for fewer false alarms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkpetersen View Post
    Is there any disadvantage to deactivating all the wizard style alarms and just programming them instead? I like having them all in one place for review and adjustment. Also my action levels are different for email/text and the display siren. And as you mention, a small defer makes for fewer false alarms.
    You don't get the probe value in the alert if it goes in the email. Also, there is apparently a 10 second defer that I was unaware of in the wizard style alarms. This is not user configurable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    You don't get the probe value in the alert if it goes in the email.
    I didn't know that; that is significant. Guess maybe I'll have to reactivate them and just remember to keep them all in sync if I change anything.

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    If the heater outlet is turned off won't this alarm?

    i don't have the 2016 so don't play with outlet power draws, but I think a VO would work

    have the VO set off.
    turn on with heater outlet being turned on
    turn off if heater outlet is greater than 1 watt
    defer 10 minutes

    this would then only be on if the outlet is turned on AND the power draw is low

    use the VO to activate your alarm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogfish View Post
    If the heater outlet is turned off won't this alarm?

    i don't have the 2016 so don't play with outlet power draws, but I think a VO would work

    have the VO set off.
    turn on with heater outlet being turned on
    turn off if heater outlet is greater than 1 watt
    defer 10 minutes

    this would then only be on if the outlet is turned on AND the power draw is low

    use the VO to activate your alarm.
    No because the watts and amps statements only turn on if the outlet is on and the condition is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    You don't get the probe value in the alert if it goes in the email.
    Why do you say this? The current probe value does appear in an alert message due to an If probe statement used in the email output program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussM View Post
    Why do you say this? The current probe value does appear in an alert message due to an If probe statement used in the email output program.
    Misinterpretation of an earlier post you made today. I though it showed it but misread your post thinking I was just wrong.

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    I just noticed that myself. So, everything's great with just programmed alarms and no wizard ones.

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