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    Fmm optical sensor help

    I got 2 sensors that I need to run one pump with. I need a low sensor to shut the pump off and a high yo turn it on.

    Set OFF
    If low open then off
    If high closed then on.

    When I do this it turning my pump off once the high is opened when I need it to run until the low is open

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    Delete the Set OFF. An explanation is in this post: https://forum.neptunesystems.com/sho...l=1#post114462
    Please do not send me PMs with technical questions or requesting assistance - use the forums for Apex help. PM me ONLY if the matter is of a private or personal nature. Thanks.

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    Thanks

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    Why do you want it to turn on at high and turn off when low. Seems counter intuitive to me. Every situation I have ever seen is the opposite: turn on when low and stop when high.

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    Cause when the pump lowers the water level I want it to turned off so not to burn the pump up. Then Once the water level get back up again I want it to trigger again to drain.

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    So is this a return pump or something else?

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    It's a pump that I use in degassing chamber for my ro. It over flows so the pump keeps it from over flowing

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    Ok. That makes sense now. You don't often see that application in the forums here.

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    Yea

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    I had an issue the pump was working as programmed. But as some point it stopped turning on. Should I use a Virtual outlet and then program my pump to virtual outlet

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    Found the issue. Pmup is bad needs to be replaced

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    Ok a put a new pmup on and it didn't turn off like it should of and it but we up. So tell me will this program work. The top program should turn the system on. The seconf program will kill the system once the sensor in my barrel is tripped. The bottom 2 programs should turn the pump on and off while the system in on and before the barrel is tripped killing the entire system.

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    What are colow and cohigh?

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    Co low and high a sensor that will turn the pump on and off prevent a overflow and to protect the pump from running dry. The art code I had that you ca n find above in ither comments didn't turn the pump off when the water was low and cooked it

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    Let’s see if I can explain what I’m trying to do... I run my RO unit with my apex and I use a degassing chamber to help degas my water to save my di resin. With my entire ro system there are 3 optical sensors (full, high, low) and 3 outlets (valve, ro booster, and pmup). What I need to do is to turn my system on by manually turning on a virtual outlet so my system will run until turned off by the full sensor. Now I want the system to stay off until I trigger it to turn back on. The code for this I have already and will post at the end. Now with my degassing chamber I run a pmup and two sensors low and high. The low sensor is to turn the pmup off when the water left is low to save the pump from burning up. The high is to turn the pmup on to keep the degassing chamber from over flowing...now I also want to make it so the pmup will run on the same code the first 2 outlets run with but also work the these last 2 codes.



    RO start virtual outlet

    Set off


    Valve and booster outlets


    If outlet ro start = on then on
    if RO-full closed then off


    Degassing chamber
    option 1

    If low open then off
    if high closed then on


    Degassing chamber option 2

    If outlet ro start = on then on
    if RO-full closed then off
    if low open then off
    if high closed then on


    Option 1 code for the degassing chamber has burned up a new pmup because it didn’t turn off when the low was open. And it has also caused an over flow cause it didn’t turn on when the high was closed. Should I used a virtual outlet for this?

    Or

    Option 2 would be the better idea but not sure of the code... what I would need it to do is to act the booster and ro outlets but at the same time allowing the pmup to turn on and off with the sensors to protect it from burning up or causing an overflow. Should I use a virtual outlet for this?

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    I would do this. This will give you level hysteresis only while the RO system is actually running.

    if high closed then on
    if low open then off
    If outlet valvename = OFF Then OFF





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    The last part I don't understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelly View Post
    The last part I don't understand

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    Replace valvename with the outlet name of your valve or booster. It will shut the degassing off if the RO isn't running.

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    Ok I can't do that. And it will still allow it to turn on and off even off The Valve isn't closed yet. Why did the code option 1 cause my pump not to turn off when the sensor was open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelly View Post
    Why did the code option 1 cause my pump not to turn off when the sensor was open.
    The high sensor probably stuck CLOSED and because of the order (option 1 order should be reversed) the ON state took precedence.

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    There both optical sensors. Can you show me the order your talking about please

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    Off states should always be last in case something fails. Also make sure those opticals are set to optical and not auto-detect. On auto-detect it's possible for it to incorrectly think its a leak sensor and reverse the behavior.

    if high closed then on
    If low open then off



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    need a little help again. my pmup isnt pumping as fast as my ro unit makes.. i need to change my program so my valve and booster will turn off when my degassing chamber is high and then back on when my camber is low.

    RO start virtual outlet

    Set off

    Valve and booster outlets


    If outlet ro start = on then on
    if RO-full closed then off

    Degassing chamber

    if high closed then on
    If low open then off
    if outlet valve =off then off

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    I'm confused. Why do you want the RO to fill slower?

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