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    battery back up

    so i never really finished this task.
    i have the battery back up
    i would like a txt alert that i lost power. i do have the 12 power adapter to the apex brain
    my core pump to run a lower gph untill main power comes on

    so on the eb832 i have
    1-link power "cooling fans"
    2 mp10 "still need it hooked a certain way so its own "eco brand" comes on first then the ups will back that up if need be"
    sump light
    display camera sump camera

    the eb832 is connected to the ups

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    Enable power monitoring if you haven't already.

    Add

    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then OFF

    To anything you want off during an outage. Replace OFF with ON for email alert, and replace OFF with a profilename for things you want to reduce intensity during an outage.

    You might be an engineer if...You have no life and can prove it mathematically.

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    i understand the first part.
    dont understand the rest. after you say
    if power apex off 000 then off.

    i seperated my 2 eb832 with critical and non critical.


    also you have a idea how i can make my mp10 take power from its own ecotech battery back up and then my ups if the ecotech battery were to die or fail?

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    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then OFF

    For things you want off.


    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then ON

    For alerts and anything normally off that you want on during the outage.



    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then profilename

    For variable speed pumps you want to run at reduced intensity during the outage.

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    will the vo still work in a power outage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarcia View Post
    will the vo still work in a power outage?
    No outlets are affected by a power outage (with a backed up apex) unless you add an if power line. They will operate exactly the same as when power is present if you don't intentionally turn them off with an if power line.

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    cool.
    i put it also on my pmup. hope it doesnt just go to on haha.
    for a lower speed of my core20
    if apex off then < 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarcia View Post
    cool.
    i put it also on my pmup. hope it doesnt just go to on haha.
    for a lower speed of my core20
    if apex off then < 20
    The percent feature does not work with if power statements (I don't know why but it just doesn't work). You need to define a profile and use the syntax above to reduce intensity during power outages.

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    sorry still dont know how to make and designate a profile

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    Go to the folder icon. Click an unused profile, rename it, and set it how you want.

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    I posted the same question last week.

    This might help you.

    https://forum.neptunesystems.com/sho...d-while-on-UPS

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    thank you that link helps out a bunch.
    sometimes its hard to search. im sure a lot of my questions are already answered in threads. i just cant find them

    time to pull the plug and see.

    my next problem is figuring out the sequence of my mp10.
    i want the ecotech battery to take over first in a outage. and then my ups

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    in my mp10 "advanced"
    is all i need is?

    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then ON

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    hey for my mp10 powerheads. i think somthing like this would work

    if vortech_3_1 < 0 then on

    i would put this code in the eb38 on the plug its plugged into?

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    on the vortech

    vortech 1 has the code
    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then ON and on my fusion it says "const 100%"
    also the power is off to its outlet on the eb38

    vortech2 has no code
    on my fusion it says "battery ok"
    again power is off to its outlet
    whats this telling me?

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    I think you are over thinking this.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but you stated you had an Ecotech Battery correct?
    If so, running a MP-40 durning a power outage doesn't require any Apex coding.
    Simple plug the Ecotech battery into the MP40, and be sure the power for the MP 40 comes
    from a wall outlet. When the power goes out, the Ecotech will supply power to the MP 40
    without any intervention from the Apex.
    The key to this working is to be sure the power for the Ecotech is plugged into the wall and not a power bar
    or the UPS.

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    Your right. But I have seen enough reviews to see that back up some what unreliable. So for sleeping sake. I want them backed up a second time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarcia View Post
    in my mp10 "advanced"
    is all i need is?

    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then ON
    That's a bad idea. You want low and slow during a power outage to maximize the pump life set a profile called slow to less than 10% intensity and constant (type is vortech).

    Use this line

    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then slow

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    got it. now for the outlet. since i want the eco batter first then the ups
    if power apex off 000 then off
    if Vortech_3_1 < 00 then on

    would this make its outlet turn on after it notices that vortex has drained its first batter back up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarcia View Post
    got it. now for the outlet. since i want the eco batter first then the ups
    if power apex off 000 then off
    if Vortech_3_1 < 00 then on

    would this make its outlet turn on after it notices that vortex has drained its first batter back up?
    That might work, but your syntax is wrong.

    Try

    If Power Apex OFF 000 Then OFF
    If Output Vortech_3_1 percent < 1 Then ON


    It might not work though. Test it my unplugging the UPS from the wall wait to see the outlet turn OFF, then unplug the battery backup from the pump and see if the outlet turns on.

    If that doesn't work, make a virtual outlet

    PumpUPSdelay
    Set OFF
    If Power Apex Off 000 Then ON
    Defer 720:00 Then ON

    Pump
    (Existing code)
    If Power Apex Off 000 Then OFF
    If Output PumpUPSdelay = ON Then ON

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    i dont think percentages work cause when i unplug it the turquoise percentage goes away

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarcia View Post
    i dont think percentages work cause when i unplug it the turquoise percentage goes away
    They don't with if power statements. You have to define a profile not a percentage.

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    I didn’t like the defer. I stayed up late last night trying to work around that but with no luck. I can’t think of a way to trigger a Vo or the outlet to come on other than
    Using a defer if apex power is off.
    Kinda makes me stuck. If the eco battery fails in 20min. Power heads still won’t come on for another 11hrs and 40min.

    But if I make the defer too short then I’m not possibly using all the potential power of the eco tech battery.

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    Question, the Ecotech Battery backup gets plugged into the wall, and then into the pump control to supply power (12v) in case of an outage.
    The pump's power brick is normally plugged into the wall.
    In the event of a power outage, which device senses this event? Does the battery backup know the power is out then send power to the pump control?
    Does the pump control know the power is out then pull power from the battery backup?
    I would think one or the other would be in control of power management.

    Now the reason I ask this is because if you are trying to use both the Ecotech backup and a UPS, it might not work at all.
    My reasoning...
    Ecotech backup is plugged into the wall.
    Pump power is plugged into UPS to get power in case of a power outage.

    Ok so power goes out, Ecotech backup senses this, sends power to pump control.
    But wait, UPS also detects a power outage and has power available to the pump power supply.
    With this happening, the Ecotech backup sees that the pump control has power (from the UPS)
    and stops supplying backup. Follow where I'm going with this.
    The two would be fighting each other.
    What you would need is a way for the UPS not to supply power until the Ecotech backup is exhausted.
    One possible solution is to have the Apex supply power to the pump (Apex plugged into the UPS) then once the UPS power
    has been depleted, the Ecotech backup would supply power.

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    Hi everyone, sorry, I live in Brazil more specifically in the city of São Paulo and recently I bought at saltwateraquarium.com an Apex (2016) with two EB832 energy bars.
    In one of the power bar I connected a battery backup that here in Brazil we call "nobreak", however, of a wrong reading of the watts of the energy bar, as well as a red icon appears next to the bar.
    I would like to know if you could help me with this question and if you need any specific configuration or if there is a correct type of battery backup "nobreak" to use with EB832?
    Sorry, I asked the question, but I did not find anything on the forum that is related to this problem, and the Neptune Systems team has not answered me yet.


    Here is the link to the model of my battery backup.
    http://www.sms.com.br/products/Nobre...II-Senoidal-NG


    Thank you.
    Sorry about my English.
    Ronaldo Lopes

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