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    Programming Alarm Actions and VO's

    So now that I am re-programming my system from scratch that was running for 8 years I have been forgetting how I did things. Also things may have changed or some of you all had better ways of doing things.

    In the past I had VO's to reset alarms and the actions they triggered. Basically I wanted to make sure not only where alarms and their actions bouncing, but that I corrected the action before things went back to normal.

    For instance is there is an leak, then the leak alarm triggers an email and shuts off the return.Since for me I have seen more leaks when things overflow, (skimmer collection tanks, display because something clogged, or ATO went nuts and started filling things too much. "SND ALARM" , "EMAIL" and the outlet I wanted to control would all have lines referencing the float siwtch or leak sensor. This seems a bit redundant.

    If I remember correctly in the alarm and in the outlet (skimmer, return, etc) I removed the "set" command and added a line for the VO stating something like 'If outlet reset on then off" to keep the state active until I hit a VO called "reset"


    I hope this makes sense. I cant seem to load my old program into my spare apex so I am guessing the firmware is different. I upgraded them both when I tore down the system.

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    That logic has been superseded by the when command.

    When On > X Then ON


    Is the syntax and there is a sticky on here with more detail.

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    thanks as always. ill sort through the stickies and see what I find...

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    OK found it but I am missing something. Like I said I can not remember how I programmed it.

    Skimmer:

    Fallback on
    Set ???
    If Leak Closed then OFF
    Is SUMP_HI Then Off
    If SKM_HI Then Off
    If Maintenance on then off (VO also turns off return)


    Where does the "When Command fit into this"

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    If you initialized the Apex and relinked it to Fusion, and you have not yet deleted the “old” Apex from Fusion, you can use the Summary report to see your prior programming.
    I'm not a Neptune support rep. Please do not send me PMs with technical questions or requesting assistance - use the forums for Apex help. PM me ONLY if the matter is of a private or personal nature. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    OK found it but I am missing something. Like I said I can not remember how I programmed it.

    Skimmer:

    Fallback on
    Set ???
    If Leak Closed then OFF
    Is SUMP_HI Then Off
    If SKM_HI Then Off
    If Maintenance on then off (VO also turns off return)


    Where does the "When Command fit into this"
    You still need to seperate out the "lockout" conditions into a virtual outlet, but you can use the when command instead of using no Set OFF and a seperate reset outlet.

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    old one was deleted....I have all the old config files but did not name them by what revision it was last running.




    So this is what I am thinking

    Skimmer:

    Fallback on
    If Leak Closed then OFF
    Is SUMP_HI Then Off
    If SKM_HI Then Off
    If Maintenance on then off (VO also turns off return)
    If Reset on then on


    Reset: (VO)

    Fallback off
    set off


    Sorry again. but I dont see where the "when" command applies... If it senses a leak it should lock it out until I reset it.

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    Like this

    Skimmer:

    Fallback on
    Set ON
    If Power Apex OFF 001 Then OFF
    Is SUMP_HI Then Off
    If SKM_HI Then Off
    If Maintenance on then off (VO also turns off return)
    If Output SumpLeak = ON Then OFF
    Defer 005:00 Then ON

    SumpLeak
    Set OFF
    If Leak Closed then ON
    When On > 000:02 Then ON


    This locks out and latches on SumpLeak when a leak is detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    Like this

    Skimmer:

    Fallback on
    Set ON
    If Power Apex OFF 001 Then OFF
    Is SUMP_HI Then Off
    If SKM_HI Then Off
    If Maintenance on then off (VO also turns off return)
    If Output SumpLeak = ON Then OFF
    Defer 005:00 Then ON

    SumpLeak
    Set OFF
    If Leak Closed then ON
    When On > 000:02 Then ON


    This locks out and latches on SumpLeak when a leak is detected.

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    OK so your using a virtual outlet for the leak not just a switch. Makes sense. But to reset everything I just swing the "sumpleak" to off then back to auto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    OK so your using a virtual outlet for the leak not just a switch. Makes sense. But to reset everything I just swing the "sumpleak" to off then back to auto?
    Just back to AUTO.

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    Thanksforthehelp

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    so what is the "defer command for? when I reset the lead virtual outlet I want my pump to come back on. It does not until after 5 minutes

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    so what is the "defer command for? when I reset the lead virtual outlet I want my pump to come back on. It does not until after 5 minutes
    It's there to give time for water level to stabilize so it doesn't overflow all the nasty skimmer gunk into your tank.

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    Historically any time I have had water on the floor it was because something overflowed. For me the purpose of having a vo to manually reset things is because I want to be on site to verify that things are ok and correct any issues. When I tell it everything is ok, I won't be needing to wait another 5 minutes.

    Do I replace it with anything or just delete it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHG View Post
    Historically any time I have had water on the floor it was because something overflowed. For me the purpose of having a vo to manually reset things is because I want to be on site to verify that things are ok and correct any issues. When I tell it everything is ok, I won't be needing to wait another 5 minutes.

    Do I replace it with anything or just delete it?
    The defer isn't there for the leak, it's there for when your return shuts off, which causes water level to rise. I would leave it there.

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