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    Question about Dosing ALK/CAL

    Question about Dosing ALK/CAL. I'm trying to level out my PH, so I was dosing Alk every hour, and my Cal every hour, 30 mins apart on each. and I didn't like how my PH was up and down, all the time. So I made changes to dose every 30 mins which really help with my PH. but it seems like I'm limited on my programming slots, its somewhere around 42 slots if I remember right. Is there an easier way to program this?, then how I'm doing it? As you can see I can't add any more, so I can't dose from 14:30 to 1830 and I want too. Thanks for any help.


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    I can't see your program but I'm thinking you have an on off statement for each cycle. Google the Apex OSC command. It turns on and off based on time on one line of code

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryeguyy84 View Post
    I can't see your program but I'm thinking you have an on off statement for each cycle. Google the Apex OSC command. It turns on and off based on time on one line
    The OSC command should not be used with DOS. It makes the DOS pump operate at a speed of 25ml/Min, which is unsuitable for most dosing applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussM View Post
    The OSC command should not be used with DOS. It makes the DOS pump operate at a speed of 25ml/Min, which is unsuitable for most dosing applications.
    Didn't see it was the DOS but now I can see the attachments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzurlo View Post
    So I made changes to dose every 30 mins which really help with my PH. but it seems like I'm limited on my programming slots, its somewhere around 42 slots if I remember right. Is there an easier way to program this?, then how I'm doing it?
    You are doing it the hard way - and the wrong way. That is not how the scheduler is meant to be used. Typically, all you need to do is define a single dosing Interval for the overall period you want to dose throughout and set the total volume to be dosed. The Apex then figures out the optimal schedule for dosing the specified total amount in small frequent doses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryeguyy84 View Post
    I can't see your program but I'm thinking you have an on off statement for each cycle. Google the Apex OSC command. It turns on and off based on time on one line of code

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussM View Post
    You are doing it the hard way - and the wrong way. That is not how the scheduler is meant to be used. Typically, all you need to do is define a single dosing Interval for the overall period you want to dose throughout and set the total volume to be dosed. The Apex then figures out the optimal schedule for dosing the specified total amount in small frequent doses.

    this is what i have for my programing, I don't know any other way, could you help me ?


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    00:00 00:15 2.1 mL
    00:30 00:45 2 mL
    01:00 01:15 2.1 mL
    01:30 01:45 2 mL
    02:00 02:15 2.1 mL
    02:30 02:45 2 mL
    03:00 03:15 2.1 mL
    03:30 03:45 2 mL
    04:00 04:15 2.1 mL
    04:30 04:45 2 mL
    05:00 05:15 2.1 mL
    05:30 05:45 2 mL
    06:00 06:15 2.1 mL
    06:30 06:45 2 mL
    07:00 07:15 2.1 mL
    07:30 07:45 2 mL
    08:00 08:15 2.1 mL
    08:30 08:45 2 mL
    09:00 09:15 2.1 mL
    09:30 09:45 2 mL
    10:00 10:15 2.1 mL
    10:30 10:45 2 mL
    11:00 11:15 2.1 mL
    11:30 11:45 2 mL
    12:00 12:15 0.5 mL
    12:30 12:45 0.5 mL
    13:00 13:15 0.5 mL
    13:30 13:45 0.5 mL
    14:00 14:15 0.5 mL
    19:00 19:15 0.5 mL
    19:30 19:45 0.5 mL
    20:00 20:14 2.1 mL
    20:30 20:45 2 mL
    21:00 21:15 2.1 mL
    21:30 21:45 2 mL
    22:00 22:15 2.1 mL
    22:30 22:45 2 mL
    23:00 23:15 2.1 mL
    23:30 23:45 2 mL

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    00:15 00:30 2.1 mL
    00:45 01:00 2 mL
    01:15 01:30 2.1 mL
    01:45 02:00 2 mL
    02:15 02:30 2.1 mL
    02:45 03:00 2 mL
    03:15 03:30 2.1 mL
    03:45 04:00 2 mL
    04:15 04:30 2.1 mL
    04:45 05:00 2 mL
    05:15 05:30 2.1 mL
    05:45 06:00 2 mL
    06:15 06:30 2.1 mL
    06:45 07:00 2 mL
    07:15 07:30 2.1 mL
    07:45 08:00 2 mL
    08:15 08:30 2.1 mL
    08:45 09:00 2 mL
    09:15 09:30 2.1 mL
    09:45 10:00 2 mL
    10:15 10:30 2.1 mL
    10:45 11:00 2 mL
    11:15 11:30 2.1 mL
    11:45 12:00 2 mL
    12:15 12:30 0.5 mL
    12:45 13:00 0.5 mL
    13:15 13:30 0.5 mL
    13:45 14:00 0.5 mL
    14:15 14:30 0.5 mL
    19:15 19:30 0.5 mL
    19:45 20:00 0.5 mL
    20:15 20:30 2.1 mL
    20:45 21:00 2 mL
    21:15 21:30 2.1 mL
    21:45 22:00 2 mL
    22:15 22:30 2.1 mL
    22:45 23:00 2 mL
    23:15 23:30 2.1 mL
    23:45 23:59 2 mL

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    You're making this way too complicated. Just use the wizard and set one 24 hour period with the desired dosing quantity for both and let the apex figure out the correct dosing. If the two aren't exactly the same amount, they will naturally be offset by the algorithm and even if a dose happens to occur simultaneously, the amounts are so small precipitation is negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    You're making this way too complicated. Just use the wizard and set one 24 hour period with the desired dosing quantity for both and let the apex figure out the correct dosing. If the two aren't exactly the same amount, they will naturally be offset by the algorithm and even if a dose happens to occur simultaneously, the amounts are so small precipitation is negligible.

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    how do i get it to dose less during the day like i want, from 1230 to 20:00 I only want .05 of both. ALK/CAL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzurlo View Post
    how do i get it to dose less during the day like i want, from 1230 to 20:00 I only want .05 of both. ALK/CAL
    I wouldn't worry about that personally. Reducing pH swings should be accomplished by your refugium not dosing, but if you really want to supplement your refugium, then make 2 intervals for your ALK (calcium has no effect on pH) and split up the dose between the two so the daytime interval has like a third or quarter of the total you need and the rest goes in the night interval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    I wouldn't worry about that personally. Reducing pH swings should be accomplished by your refugium not dosing, but if you really want to supplement your refugium, then make 2 intervals for your ALK (calcium has no effect on pH) and split up the dose between the two so the daytime interval has like a third or quarter of the total you need and the rest goes in the night interval.

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    Is that setup easy? I've never tried doing it that way. I see if their is anything on YouTube. I've always done it the way i'm doing it now. Thanks for your help Zombie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzurlo View Post
    Is that setup easy? I've never tried doing it that way. I see if their is anything on YouTube. I've always done it the way i'm doing it now. Thanks for your help Zombie.
    The way you are doing it currently is the wrong way and way too much work. You dont add an interval for each dose, you add an interval for an entire time frame (ex 00:00 to 12:29, 12:30 to 19:59, 20:00 to 23:59) and enter the amount you want for the entire time frame. The DOS algorithm will figure out how to break it up.

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    What if you want one dised after the other, not at the same time? Fusion 1 and 2 stare to side 2 after 1 or maybe it died not later ?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allaboutmojo View Post
    What if you want one dised after the other, not at the same time? Fusion 1 and 2 stare to side 2 after 1 or maybe it died not later ?!?
    The algorithm will naturally offset as long as both the duration and the total amount aren't exactly identical. If the two things need to be dosed to the same amount, you can just adjust the durations. One method is to make one head dose over 24 hours and the other over 23.5 or 23 hours. Another method is to split the intervals (ex 12 hours part 1, 12 hours part 2 or 6 hours 1, then 6 hours 2, then 6 hours 1, then 6 hours 2). Another method is to slightly adjust the dosing amount (ex 10 ml of part 1 and set part 2 to 10.1)

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