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    Programming a backup pump for ATO

    I have the APEX 2016 and the ATK. My husband and I are doing some traveling, often for two weeks or more, and I want to utilize a backup ATO barrel and pump. I have the ATK module and it's working great. My topoff barrel is in the basement (45 gallon brute) and the only issue is that the Pmup will only pump about 1/3 of the barrell before it no longer works because of distance.

    So I have a second barrell that I keep filled and would like to be able to add a second Pmup and have it run in place of the first when the first one gets shut off by the programming because it runs for the max time and the ATK_Lo is still Open.

    I was thinking about setting up a Virtual Outlet and then modifying the

    VO: Backup ATO
    Set Off
    If Outlet ATKPmup = OFF then ON
    Defer 000:10 then ON

    Backup PMUP
    Fallback OFF
    Set OFF
    If ATK_Lo OPEN Then ON
    If ATK_Hi CLOSED Then OFF
    When On > 020:00 Then OFF
    Defer 000:10 Then ON
    Defer 000:04 Then OFF
    Min Time 020:00 Then OFF
    If Backup ATO OFF Then OFF


    Would this work? Do I need to add any other programming to the ATKPmup? I do get an alarm when it gets turned off due to an Error, and the Error is because the ATK_Lo sensor is open and the pump already ran for the max time.

    Thanks.

    Mickey

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    I would do this

    Backup PMUP
    Fallback OFF
    Set OFF
    If Error ATKname Then ON
    If ATK_Lo CLOSED Then OFF
    If ATK_Hi CLOSED Then OFF
    When On > 020:00 Then OFF
    Defer 000:10 Then ON
    Defer 000:04 Then OFF
    Min Time 020:00 Then OFF


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    Thanks, Zombie. I didn't think it would be that simple. Guess I don't need a Virtual Outlet.

    If I'm not going to be around for a while I often turn off the alarm to avoid getting alerts every hour. If I do that, will the Error condition on the ATKPmup go away and therefore this won't work? If Error does go away, am I back to using a Virtual Outlet and then trigger things on the Pmup just being Off?

    Mickey

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    The error condition is tied to the ATK outlet. If it goes into manual OFF because of the when statement, the error statement will still be true.

    Regardless, turning off your email alarm is in general bad practice. The much better way to go about it is like this. Set XXX:XX to the length of time you want alarms silenced for. Set it to AUTO when alarms annoy you

    ShutUpApex (Virtual outlet)
    Set ON
    When On > XXX:XX Then OFF

    Set time statement to sleeping and/or work hours. You can use more than one or even use virtual outlets to create different schedules based on day of week.

    Email
    (Low priority alarms)
    If Time XX:XX to YY:YY Then OFF
    (Moderate priority alarms)
    If Output ShutUpApex = ON Then OFF
    (Emergency alarms like leaks or overflows)

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    I only turn it off when I'm traveling once I've confirmed it's a top-off issue otherwise I get text messages every hour. I didn't realize there was another option. I've never heard of setting different levels of priority on alarms. I'll try the Virtual Outlet suggestion and do some searching on the alarm priorities.

    Thanks again.
    Mickey

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    After thinking about it and reading a few posts, I think I got it. I'll work on the coding and try it out. You're terrific! Thanks.

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