I have a 72 gal Bow Front freshwater aquarium running with an Apex Jr. I currently have programmed it to control with a single pH parameter range of 6.3-6.4. I would like to figure out how to program another range of say 6.6-6.7 when my lights are off. I have noticed that once the photo period is off the pH lowers a lot and I would like to moderate that drop.
You need to use virtual outlets
CO2Day
If pH > 6.4 Then ON
If pH < 6.3 Then OFF
If Output LightName = OFF Then OFF
CO2Night
If pH > 6.6 Then ON
If pH < 6.5 Then OFF
If Output LightName = ON Then OFF
Solenoid
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output CO2Day = ON Then ON
If Output CO2Night = ON Then ON
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Okay, so do I leave alone the real outlet that controls the pH now? How many virtual outlets are needed to do this, 2 or 3? This is new to me.
skipd1
Solenoid is the physical outlet. The other two are virtualOriginally Posted by skipd1
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I have created the two virtual outlets as you have shown and a physical outlet named solenoid but I can't seem to get the virtual outlets programming to take, it shows it when I update the outlet but when I refresh the page it reverts back to the default settings.
Example;
CO2DayIf pHpro > 6.4 Then ON
If pHpro < 6.3 Then OFF
If Light1_l1 = OFF Then OFF
skipd1
zombie-
I created two virtual outlets, CO2Day & CO2Night and one real outlet named Solenoid as you suggested. I couldn't ever get the script to take in my classic Apex dashboard, and after a couple of frustrating days I tried it in Fusion
and they worked there. However the CO2 settings for the night time don't seem to initiate. I have set the script exactly as you have stated and set all three outlets to automatic. I don't see any change in the virtual outlets and the solenoid outlet when I turn the lights on or have them off. Do I need to turn off the original outlet that controls the pH to allow these outlets to work(pHx2)?
Here is my script:
CO2Day
If pHpro > 6.60 Then ON
If pHpro < 6.50 Then OFF
If Output Light1_I1 = ON Then OFF
CO2Night
If pHpro > 6.60 Then ON
If pHpro < 6.50 Then OFF
If Output Light1_I1 = ON Then OFF
Solenoid
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output CO2Day = ON Then ON
If Output CO2Night = ON Then ON
This is my original phx2 control outlet which is set to auto
Fallback OFF
If pHpro < 6.35 Then OFF
If pHpro > 6.40 Then ON
Skip
Your day and night programming is EXACTLY the same. There will be no change.
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I see that now. I changed the CO2Night to output light OFF then ON and CO@Day to output ON then ON
I'll see how that works
Thanks
skipd1
That will just turn them ON all the time. You want day to be if lights OFF then OFF and night to be if lights ON Then OFF. You are also showing the same pH set points for both, so there wont be a change in operation in day vs night.
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Okay, the set points are actually different in Apex.
I really don't understand how the solenoid outlet works in all this. I have looked in the Apex Comprehensive manual but still don't understand what that outlet actually does?
And how does it relate to the pHx2 outlet to regulate the two virtual outlets. Guess I'm kinda dumb with this stuff!!
I appreciate your help and patience.
Thanks Again
Skipd1
The virtual outlets are just an intermediate step in the process so that you can tell it to do (A and B) or (C and D). Each one will toggle on and off for the respective set points. The solenoid will use the state of those virtual outlets to actually turn it on and off.
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So I think I have had this a bit screwed up from the beginning. Originally I had a physical outlet called pHx2 that controlled the CO2 pressure regulator and its solenoid. When I set up the second set of night parameters I followed your directions,
however not really understanding the use of the new physical outlet named solenoid. I still have the old physical outlet (pHx2) operating the CO2 regulator solenoid. Could I have just renamed that pHx2 outlet to Solenoid and inserted the new script? Then actually plug in the CO2 regulator solenoid to it and not create a new and separate physical outlet to run the virtual outlets?
Is the solenoid you are trying to control plugged into phx2 or to a different outlet?
Yes its plugged into the pHx2. I assume that's why there is no change when the lights are off. Can I rename the original pHx2 outlet to "Solenoid" or "pHSolenoid" and use it to control the virtual outlets?
Just move the programming you have in the other outlet to the outlet the solenoid is plugged into.
You can't have two things named the same in the apex. You can rename the outlet or rename the pH probe.
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Okay I give it a try and let you know.
Thanks
Skipd1
My pH probe is named pHpro, and the controlling outlet is named pHx2. I assume that's okay
skipd1
Zombie
You posted 4 days ago that the solenoid outlet is:
Solenoid
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output CO2Day = ON Then ON
If Output CO2Night = ON Then ON
Which is it suppose to be?
Skipd1
He meant, put that programming in the outlet controlling the solenoid. In your instance, put that in the pHx2 outlet.
Above is correct. You also need to rename the pHx2 outlet. I would suggest Solenoid to make it clear, but you can rename it whatever you want. The apex tends to get buggy if you start an outlet name with a reserved system keyword. Never start an outlet with Feed, Moon, Sun, pH, temp, cond, etc. Thise words can be in the outlet name, just dont start with them (ex vFeed is okay but FeedVO is not)
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I renamed the outlet Solenoid_pH and it now seems to be working. I'll watch it cycle for a day and let you know how it works.
Thanks again
Skipd1
Well, it seems that everything is working okay with respect to the pH settings for Day and Night. But this may be a non issue, but only the Day virtual outlet shows an indication of being on during the Day lighting period. The Night virtual outlet although set to
automatic, shows no indication of being on, but the night pH settings are working. All three outlets are set to automatic.
There are the outlets as I have them configured:
Solenoid_pH
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output CO2Day = ON Then ON
If Output CO2Night = ON Then ON
CO2Day
If pHpro > 6.40 Then ON
If pHpro < 6.30 Then OFF
If Output Light1_I1 = OFF Then OFF
CO2Night
If pHpro > 6.60 Then ON
If pHpro < 6.50 Then OFF
If Output Light1_I1 = ON Then OFF
As I stated above, the pH settings for both Day/Night are working with respect to the lighting, only the CO2Night shows no indication of being on.
Skipd1
Check your outlet log after enabling logging. It's easy to miss when those outlets are on since they are often ON less time then they are off for especially at higher pH settings.
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I will do that. I have noticed that the CO2Day shows its on the whole lighting period. I wonder if I should set the CO2Night outlet to state when light is off then on, instead of it now states if lights on then off?
Skipd1
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