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    Lightbulb Kindle Fire 8 HD should support the Apex app

    The latest version of the Kindle Fire 8 HD's FireOS is 6.3.0.1 which runs Android 7.1 Nougat.
    This means it should support the latest version of the Apex Fusion app. As far as I know. it's only available on the Google Play store. This link explains how to install the play store and its dependencies without connecting the tablet to a computer or really mess with the settings:
    https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/instal...-store-fire-5/

    Last tidbit of advice, there's a built-in option for FireOS where it never goes to sleep: https://vidabox.com/blog/2017/02/11/...-fire-tablets/

    Hope this helps. I have a Kindle Fire 10 (Bigger is not better apparently...) and if someone can report success, I'm getting an 8.

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    I got a fire tablet last year for Christmas and unfortunately it is sitting on a shelf collecting dust because I can not figure out how to set it up as a display.


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    While FireOS is based on Android, it is no longer really Android nor is it fully compatible with many apps listed in Google Play. The APEX Fusion app for Android will not work properly on FireOS. One such case is that of push notifications; Amazon Fire devices uses a completely different mechanism for push notification, so even if you sideloaded the APEX Fusion app and it ran, you would not get push notifications, which is one of the big benefits of the app.
    I'm not a Neptune support rep. Please do not send me PMs with technical questions or requesting assistance - use the forums for Apex help. PM me ONLY if the matter is of a private or personal nature. Thanks.

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    By installing the play store and not side-loading, you get push notifications and other Google goodies. I don't have a Fire8 to test but I do get gmail notifications on my Fire 10 installed via the play store.
    When we call something based on Android, it usually means they do not have the GMS (Google Mobile Service). GMS is what lets you do push notification, in app purchase, the play store and other Google-centric stuff. I'm very curious to see if the app would not function as advertised if someone is running the latest version of FireOS AND installs the Play Store following the link I pasted above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebnewbie View Post
    By installing the play store and not side-loading, you get push notifications and other Google goodies. I don't have a Fire8 to test but I do get gmail notifications on my Fire 10 installed via the play store.
    When we call something based on Android, it usually means they do not have the GMS (Google Mobile Service). GMS is what lets you do push notification, in app purchase, the play store and other Google-centric stuff. I'm very curious to see if the app would not function as advertised if someone is running the latest version of FireOS AND installs the Play Store following the link I pasted above.
    Russ means notifications from the app. Not from fusion sent to your gmail account.




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    Quote Originally Posted by vhuang168 View Post
    Russ means notifications from the app. Not from fusion sent to your gmail account.
    I meant the same thing. I was differentiating side-loading the Neptune app and installing it via a side-loaded playstore with GMS. Gmail was an example and it could have been candy crush. It was to prove that apps installed on FireOS via the playstore do provide native android notifications.

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    So just to confirm, you "can" side load the app and that will work but will not provide notifications. If so, that would be good enough for me.

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    If your Kindle 8 HD has the latest FireOS, you can side load the Google Services and install from the Play store. That way you can get notifications and auto updates.
    For any other Amazon device, you side load and have no notifications/auto updates.


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    Looking at the link above on how to do this, the files are no longer available. Is there an alternate method to side load the play store?

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    Got Play Store installed, Fusion is not compatible with my device. Hmm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquattro View Post
    Got Play Store installed, Fusion is not compatible with my device. Hmm..
    The trick doesn't work if you have a gen 7 and not a gen 8 tablet. I have the original fire HD 8 and it gives me the same message since it runs an older fire OS that isn't compatible.

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    Implement return policy Thanks

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    Yes, it's only compatible with the Kindle Fire 8 HD. Technically, it's built with Android 7.1 Nougat, which the Apex app requires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebnewbie View Post
    Yes, it's only compatible with the Kindle Fire 8 HD. Technically, it's built with Android 7.1 Nougat, which the Apex app requires.
    Took mine back, ordered the 8 HD, was supposed to arrive today.

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    Just a mention, I set this up fairly easily on the HD 8. Working well.

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    What is a push notification and why is it valuable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailermann View Post
    What is a push notification and why is it valuable?
    Push notification is when you receive a message (usually at the top of the screen) to tell you something important has happened without you having to do anything to get the message. These notifications popup regardless of whether your phone/tablet is sleeping or you're in an app. They are important because they tell you something requires your immediate attention. A good example would be a leak detection sensor sensed water on the floor below your tank. You would want to know that ASAP so you could take care of that immediately before your tank is empty and your floor soaked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trailermann View Post
    What is a push notification and why is it valuable?
    To supplement bigjim's answer.
    Push notifications happens between your device and Google. The Android device has a special background application called a service, which listens for push notifications. In order to make things simple,. help with battery life, and help with privacy, there's one connection for all the apps and Google brokers them. So Neptune tells Google to notify user "abc" that their tank has a high temp. Google finds the connection to user "abc" and pushes the payload requested by Neptune.
    This is why you need the Google services to get push notifications to work; Google is the broker between Neptune and your tablet.

    In theory Neptune could add their app to the Amazon store and use the Amazon push broken but since they require a recent version of Android and only the Fire 8 HD supports it, it's probably more hassles than it's worth.

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    So an aside to this discussion, is the fire 8 HD a good or favored device to replace my old and very slow IPad mini? The iPad works with fusion very well but it’s very slow. Looks like I can get the fire for $60/70 range
    jim

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