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    Issues with Maxspect Gyre XF-250 and Apex

    I am currently running two Gyre XF-250's on my tank with my Apex controller (newer version). Each pump has an IceCap controller and is plugged into the variable speed port using the y-cable provided. The program I'm using is a modified version of the BRS program noted here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHIM...ature=youtu.be with the only difference being that the minimum gyre speed is limited to 25 (anything lower and my pumps turn off completely and won't come back on). For the most part, everything works as expected. However, whenever the pumps turn off (I'm using a virtual outlet for each pump), for feeding for example, one of the pumps will inevitably not turn back on. Each time this happens I have to fiddle with the on/off/auto settings in random order (it's never the same process) and eventually I can get them both working again but it takes numerous attempts and there's no rhyme or reason to why they are turning back on.

    My apex program for both gyres is below. Is there something about this program that could be causing the issue? I've also contacted CV and they pointed to an Apex issue. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thank you!

    Left Gyre

    Fallback ON
    tdata 00:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 00:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 01:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 02:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 03:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 03:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 04:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 05:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 06:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 06:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 07:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 08:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 09:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 09:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 10:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 11:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 12:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 12:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 13:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 14:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 15:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 15:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 16:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 17:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 18:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 18:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 19:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 20:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 21:00:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 21:45:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 22:30:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 23:15:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 23:59:58,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    If FeedA 000 Then OFF
    If FeedB 000 Then OFF
    If Power EB832_2 Off 000 Then OFF
    If Power Apex Off 000 Then OFF
    If Output Maintenance = ON Then OFF
    If Output Tank_Leak = ON Then OFF
    If Output CntrlRm_Leak = ON Then OFF
    Defer 002:00 Then ON

    Right Gyre:

    Fallback ON
    tdata 00:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 00:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 01:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 02:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 03:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 03:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 04:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 05:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 06:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 06:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 07:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 08:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 09:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 09:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 10:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 11:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 12:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 12:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 13:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 14:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 15:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 15:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 16:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 17:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 18:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 18:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 19:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 20:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 21:00:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 21:45:00,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 22:30:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 23:15:00,0,0,25,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    tdata 23:59:58,0,0,40,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    If FeedA 000 Then OFF
    If FeedB 000 Then OFF
    If Power EB832_2 Off 000 Then OFF
    If Power Apex Off 000 Then OFF
    If Output Maintenance = ON Then OFF
    If Output Tank_Leak = ON Then OFF
    If Output CntrlRm_Leak = ON Then OFF
    Defer 002:00 Then ON

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    Try this test to narrow down the issue.

    1. Temporarily remove the defer line and replace it with set 25

    2. Turn the gyre to manual OFF

    3. Set the gyre to AUTO

    4. If the gyre does not turn ON, adjust the set 25 to a larger level until it does turn on with the test.

    5. If for example 30 was reliable, change your minimum in the wizard to 30 instead of 25.

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    Thanks, Zombie. It appears that when I replace the defer line with "Set 25", since it's the last line in the program, both pumps simply spin at 25. Is that intended?

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    That said, I tested it anyway and the right gyre is not turning on, even if I toggle between auto and on, so it appears the defer statement is not the issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomthom329 View Post
    Thanks, Zombie. It appears that when I replace the defer line with "Set 25", since it's the last line in the program, both pumps simply spin at 25. Is that intended?
    That's the intent. To see if the gyre is just stalling going from 0 to 25 essentially

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    Understood. I tried Set 25, 30, 40 and even 50 and none of them work. I can't even toggle the switch to "ON" which should run the pump at full speed. Essentially, it's dead (and still dead) but the IceCap controller lights are on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomthom329 View Post
    Understood. I tried Set 25, 30, 40 and even 50 and none of them work. I can't even toggle the switch to "ON" which should run the pump at full speed. Essentially, it's dead (and still dead) but the IceCap controller lights are on.
    I would completely disassemble and clean the pump then try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zombie View Post
    I would completely disassemble and clean the pump then try again.

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    I actually did that this weekend, to no avail. This issue has been ongoing since I got the pumps (about 6 months ago). To add, I just came back to my tank, after leaving it with the right gyre still off, and now it's on again. I tried to turn it on earlier by toggling both gyres on/off/auto multiple times but the right one wouldn't turn on so I gave up to make V-Day dinner. Back now and it's running fine. Very strange and hoping someone else has some thoughts to fix the problem.

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    I have had mine start with a pretty noticeable delay but I'm talking 20-30 seconds. The VDM light would come on but not the pump. Truthfully I'm not sure what the IceCap lights were doing so not sure on that. If you are setting the switch to ON and waiting a minute or more with no results then you have something else going on.
    Just a thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoralFan1776 View Post
    I have had mine start with a pretty noticeable delay but I'm talking 20-30 seconds. The VDM light would come on but not the pump. Truthfully I'm not sure what the IceCap lights were doing so not sure on that. If you are setting the switch to ON and waiting a minute or more with no results then you have something else going on.
    Just a thought...
    You might be on to something here... I only wait 10-15 secs on the pumps before giving up and toggling to another setting. I’ll try switching to ON and waiting for at least a minute (or five) and see what happens. Thanks for the tip!

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